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Message  Keancy le Sam 15 Avr - 17:02

Voilà, j'a trouvée cette analyse sur un autre forum sur FBI et le truc c'est qu'elle est en anglais, super longue et que j'ai beaucoup de mal à la traduire.
J'aurais aimé que tout le monde la traduise petit à petit, afin que chacun puisse la lire et la comprendre. Merci !

Right let's the start at the beginning as it's the best place to start. Why Jack and Sam began and why it ended? Now, the common belief around Maple Street and other sacred places is that they just got too close. That Farrell was partially right maybe about how it began. Jack needed comfort as he does take things to heart and from what we've seen of Maria she doesn't understand one bit, Sam's right there with me and let's face it she's attractive so one night they find comfort in each other. Nice scenario but you're probably thinking it doesn't fit with Jack's guilt complex, why would it have continued for five months. I reckon that at the beginning much like what people always accuse Sam and Martin of just being it was just the sex but then over time they just grew to like each others company (Evidence: Malone vs Malone the crossword scene. It didn't smack of affair at all, they laid on Sam's bed (with clothes on) and did a crossword puzzle.) Then of course you could ask why did Jack break up with Sam if he was so in love with her like I'm claiming. The answer he gave in Malone vs Malone was that he thought that it was hurting his family and I buy that. After all particularly in the early days we never saw much of Jack/Maria interaction. I don't think that he ended it because she confronted him at all although I certainly think that by The Source at least she knew about it. Guilt over his daughters and how they weren't seeing him probably. After all guilt is what drives him.

Right now why Martin and Sam began? From the start Martin liked Sam (Evidence: He asks her out for a drink. Just check out the look he gives her in the Pilot. I don't need to quote Sam/Martin stuff) Over season 2 they start to get to know each other a little better. The Bus happens and where in the past Sam might have gone to Jack he's back firmly with his wife now and Martin's there. However, Jack clearly still cares as Revelations shows us (Evidence: Revelations the ring twisting which shows that Sam still cares too. There's the line "Nobody has lost faith in you. Least of all me" you could change that easily into "Nobody has stopped loving you. Least of all me." After all it's what he wants to say, the look on his face and then at the end the hand which gravitates naturally to her back is shoved uncomfortably into his pocket.). Then further along in Season 2 A tree falls happens. Martin has now experienced a shooting (although Sam doesn't know exactly how that all went down) it gives them common ground and she's there for him like he was for her. Then there's Shadows. I can't really explain Shadows except Martin needed help and Sam is who he looks towards, that speaks volumes for how Martin feels, Sam does her job and helps him because he's a friend in need not because she loves him or anything though.
Lost and Found. All the posts I've read here seemed to ignore the big deciding factor for J/S. Sam's reaction. (Evidence: "My wife was a really good job in Chicago and she took it. I've decided to go with her." Sam's starts to shake and then she cries afterwards. How often have we seen Sam that seriously upset? Fall Out (she was shot) and Maple Street (she had empathy). That hit her hard. Vivian's known Jack a long time she didn't have that reaction, neither did Danny and Danny could have felt that everybody walks out on him. She hadn't moved on and she didn't suddenly decide to move on. She'd been stuck in limbo that wasn't perfect but it was reasonably safe and then Jack just threw the whole thing off balance. I hear you M/S shippers asking [b]why if Jack loves Sam so much did he agree to go?. The answer is again guilt. He wants to keep his family together. He's willing to stop working missing persons a job that he loves despite or perhaps because of the pain it inflicts on him. He's willing to move away from New York, from everything he knows and loves because of his daughters, his guilt about his mother. Sam has to be part of that sacrafice and I don't think for one minute that he wants to go or do it (Evidence: Lost and Found end scene. "I better keep doing this or else I'll lose my nerve." He doesn't want to go and Sam being there as he's having to pack up just reminds him of that even more.) Sam helping him pack is apparently a classic technique that pyshciatrists recommend to help with the letting go process, Sam mentioned she'd just been to go see Lisa Harris the in house shrink.
Next episode Bait Martin saves her life. You feel eternally grateful to somebody for that even if you hate them. Jack's leaving she needs comforting and Martin's there and he's interested. I don't think that Sam would ever have thought that she was using him, certainly not at the beginning, but she was. Perhaps she deluded herself into thinking 'Jack's leaving for good. I need to properly move on now.' Who better to move on with but with somebody you already know is interested and who's safe. It's no strings, she doesn't have to give anything.

However, as we all know the relationship continued past Jack's decision to stay in New York. M/S shippers argument she must be over him. Wrong. It completely threw her. (Evidence: Thou Shalt Not the phone conversation she had with Jack when she first learned that he was staying in New York. She starts to shake again like when she heard he was leaving New York in Lost and Found.) However, you can argue why didn't she break up with Martin? Answer Jack had hurt her too many times. She doesn't want to get hurt again and she doesn't know whether Jack wants her back anyway. Subconciously though she sabotages the relationship with Martin. I've read what the M/S shippers argument is. 'He's the second man she's slept with on the team, she didn't want to appear a slut.' 'A relationship needs time to form before everybody knows about it otherwise it's under too much pressure. Both of those I can combat with this. (Evidence: Danny knows about Sam and Martin and let's them know he knows. Vivian knew (Sam's discovery of heart monitor. Vivian making her promise to tell nobody not even Martin). The only person left on the team is Jack. Now sure you could say she was embarrassed incase the rest of the FBI found out but I don't buy that because Martin would be considered a better choice. It would get her off the hook with the OPR, stop possible judgement questions about having a relationship with a married man who is your superiour etc. etc. That leaves only Jack.) She doesn't want Jack to know because she deep down still cares about what he thinks, what he feels. She could be terrified that he'd give her his blessing so to speak and then it really would be over because she still loves him. (Evidence: Malone vs Malone flashback. Would she really remember something that happened over two years ago that's seemingly insignificant. It meant something to her. Nickel and Dimed "The only reason why you won't let me do this is because of our history." Said with a small level of hostility I admit but would she really have brought it up if she wasn't thinking about it. It was two years ago if it didn't matter to her then she'd think it didn't matter to him either but she brought it up. Doppelganger. The not so casual inquiry into his divorce proceedings. I could go on.) Martin broke up with her because he wanted more than she did. He wanted a relationship, she didn't. Maybe it would have gone somewhere if Jack hadn't come back but he did and consequently Martin wasn't enough. He'd been a distraction from the pain caused by Jack leaving, she should have ended it when he came back she didn't (still deluding herself into thinking she was moving on, it's her subconcious that's the sabatoeur remember.) Martin quite rightly got fed up and called an end to it.

Now comes the end. Endgame. Nobody is with anybody. What will happen? Will Sam go to Martin's side because he's been shot and she's suddenly realised that she loves him? No because she doesn't. If that happens it'll be because she cares about him (she really does but caring isn't enough, it's not love) and feels guilty. Will she go to Jack and admit her true feelings because a shooting shook her up enough to realise that she does love him? Nope that won't happen either, too much is still uncertain. In all honesty I don't know what will happen. Jack has proven that he still cares by attempting to sound Sam out in Endgame (Evidence: The conversation near the Makeba embassy. Jack repeatedly asking Sam how she is. He's been too damaged by Maria's vicious divorce attack to try anything more obvious or heartfelt.). I don't know what will happen though. I have theories but they're just theories.

Je l'ai trouvée là : http://www.fbi-fr.net/phpBB2/ftopic411-0-asc-0.php
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Message  Ana le Sam 15 Avr - 17:09

ça fait un sacré morceau ... Shocked je vais l'imprimer et m'occuper pendant les 3 jours qui arrivent sans ordi ... rolles
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Message  Keancy le Sam 15 Avr - 17:11

C'est ce que j'ai voulu faire aussi mais c'est carrément trés dur à traduire... C'est pour ça que je me suis dit que si tout le monde y mettait du sien sa irais mieux ^^
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Message  ludi le Sam 15 Avr - 17:24

Wouah, c'est d'un compliqué même en mettant de la bonne volonté pour traduire j'y arriverai pas. Boulet
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Message  Nanouille le Sam 15 Avr - 18:03

Alors là, très interessant!! Je n'ai pas de mal avec l'anglais mais traduire ce gros pavé.... et bien ça m'effraie un peu je dois dire! Laughing
Keancy a écrit:Next episode Bait Martin saves her life. You feel eternally grateful to somebody for that even if you hate them. Jack's leaving she needs comforting and Martin's there and he's interested. I don't think that Sam would ever have thought that she was using him, certainly not at the beginning, but she was. Perhaps she deluded herself into thinking 'Jack's leaving for good. I need to properly move on now.' Who better to move on with but with somebody you already know is interested and who's safe. It's no strings, she doesn't have to give anything.
Aaaah merci à la personne qui a rédigé ceci et fait la syntaxe de ttes ces petites choses que je pensais sur la relation Martin/Sam.
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Message  Keancy le Sam 15 Avr - 21:18

Mais je veux pas que ce soit uniquement une personne qui le traduise ! Mais plusieurs, par exemple, nanouille tu pourrais traduire les 2 premiers paragraphes ou je sais pas moi ! Mais j'ai vraiment envie de la lire !
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Message  Céline le Sam 15 Avr - 21:29

Je veux bien essayer mais ça devra attendre lundi soir que je rentre chez moi. Wink
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Message  Keancy le Sam 15 Avr - 21:30

Ok, c'est gentil, c'est déja sa !
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Message  Heather le Sam 15 Avr - 21:33

1er paragraphe traduit :

Commençons depuis le début vu que c'est la meilleure façon de commencer. Pourquoi Jack et Sam ont-ils décidé d'avoir une aventure et pourquoi s'est-elle terminée ? Sur le net, l'explication communément admise est qu'ils sont juste devenus trop proche. Que Farrell avait peut-être partiellement raison sur la façon dont ça a commencé. Jack avait besoin de réconfort comme il prend les choses à coeur -et nous avons vu que Maria ne comprenait rien à cela-, Sam est là, et soyons honnête, elle est séduisante, donc, une nuit, ils trouvent du réconfort l'un auprès de l'autre.
Scénario sympathique mais vous pensez probablement que ça ne va pas avec le complexe de culpabilité (=culpabilité constante) de Jack : pourquoi est-ce que ça aurait continué 5 mois ? Je reconnais qu'au début, tout comme ceux qui disent que Sam et Martin sont juste ensemble pour le sexe, c'était la même chose. Mais avec le temps, ils se sont rapprochés. (Preuve: Malone vs Malone, la scène des mots croisés. Cela ne ressemble pas du tout à une aventure conjugale : allongés sur le lit de Sam, habillés, et faisant des mots croisés)
Puis, bien sûr, vous pourriez demander pourquoi Jack a rompu avec Sam s'il était aussi amoureux d'elle que je l'affirme. La réponse qu'il donne dans Malone vs Malone était qu'il pensait blesser sa famille. Et j'accepte cette réponse. Après tout, surtout au début, nous n'avons pas vu beaucoup d'intéractions entre Jack et Maria. Je ne pense pas qu'il a mis fin à son aventure parce qu'elle lui en a parlé, bien que je pense certainement que dès l'épisode The Source, elle savait au sujet de l'adultère. Culpabilité pour ses filles et le peu qu'elles le voyaient. Après, la culpabilité motive ses actions.

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Message  Keancy le Sam 15 Avr - 23:27

Merci Heather !!! ^^
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